Your Light Body

by Del Hungerford

We continue with looking deeper into our personal light body. What is it? How do you engage with it? How does it help you mature into a Son of God? How is it different than my physical body? We know that we have a spirit, soul, and body. We explore how they fit into the topic of your light body. 

This is the sequel to the “Allness of God” article. In that article, you were introduced to your light body and then we took you into the communion prayer. Here, I dig deeper into some of the truths spoken by Nicolas Acuna in his 3-part video series (Secrets of the House of Light) found on his YouTube channel. Many within NW Ekklesia are paying attention to Nicolas, Fiorella Giordano, Justin Paul Abraham, and others who desire to lead us into how we’re to function as mature Sons of God in this next “age.” No, it’s NOT your standard “run of the mill” Christianity because it requires that we get out of the box we’ve been put in since the time of Constantine.

Here are the most recent interviews we’ve been listening to and discussing. Bookmark them and listen when you have time to take some good notes.

In this article, I’ll focus on Parts 1 from the Secrets of the House of Light series by Nicolas Acuna that's on his YouTube channel. I’ll bring in a couple of pieces from his interview with Justin Abraham, too, because that discussion helps explain what Nicolas doesn’t say in Part 1 of his own series.

Framework of Futurism

Nicolas Acuna presents his topics from the perspective of looking into and functioning from the future. He obviously understands scientific pieces of the creation puzzle that the normal lay person (like me) didn’t focus on in high school (or college). My focus was on anything involving music and forestry... an interesting combination. Hmmm…. All that means is that I get to learn about scientific stuff now. Better late than never, right?!

Nicolas, Fiorella, and Justin look into the future, seeing the possibilities of what lies ahead based on God’s character instead of the negative bent being presented by many church leaders today. I guess they think doom and gloom will “fear” people into being saved? God is good, loving, kind, and wants nothing but for us to BE Christ-like IN the earth, spreading His love, joy, and peace to everything and everyone around us. We can’t do that if we’re angry, traumatized, frustrated, or live with a victim mentality. Therefore, we must be transformed by the renewing of our mind (Romans 12:2), which you’ll see is on Nicolas’ 7 levels of consciousness and communion. You’ll find that chart in the Allness of God article. For easy access, my reworded version is included here (Figure 1).

Figure 1

Nicolas introduces the framework of futurism where we live out of the future, not the past. In his discussion with Justin, he delves into how that works. He states that “when you entrain your consciousness to a higher thought of God, not only does your circumstance change in the present, but your past and future also change.” God did not call us to live out of the present or past. We see in Figure 1 that we “ascend” into higher levels of consciousness and communion with God to “govern” our lives. It’s recommended that you wait to watch Nicolas' interview (posted above) with Justin until AFTER you’ve watched parts 1 and 2 of the Secrets of the House of Light series. As a reminder, here are Nicolas’ 7 levels (with scriptures) of consciousness and communion that were “transformed” into I AM statements in the Allness of God article:

  1. I am incarnated in Christ (John 3:16)
  2. I am crucified in Christ (Galatians 2:20)
  3. I am resurrected in Christ (Romans 6:4-6)
  4. I am seated in Christ in heavenly places (Ephesians 2:6)
  5. I am functioning in my identity from the foundations of the world. (Ephesians 1:4)
  6. I am a co-creator in Christ. (Genesis 1:26-28)
  7. I am functioning in, from, and through the Allness, image, and likeness of God. (Genesis 1:26)

Your Light Body

In Part 1 of Nicolas’ teaching, we’re immediately introduced to the spirit body, soul body, and physical body. In Figure 2, I created a diagram that represents what he describes as different pieces within our spirit, soul, and physical body. Our spirit includes the spirit and unique bodies. The soul includes the mind body, ego body, astral body, and etheric body. The Allness (uniqueness) of God, at the highest level of consciousness and communion, releases God's thoughts and will to every level below it. All lower levels are sub steps that lead downward to Jesus, the incarnate body, where we begin our Christ journey. Our light body is upstream in consciousness and upstream in physicality. We are the centerpiece between heaven and earth. The scripture Nicolas uses to describe us as living beings of light is John 8: 12 where Jesus says, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” When we are infused with the light of life, our light body activates!

Figure 2

Notice in Figure 1 that each level is connected much like conentric circles where there's easy flow from one level to the next. Upward is communion and consciousness in Christ. Downward is where we bring the Allness of God THROUGH us and into the earth realm. This picture shows the "as above, so below" principle. Earth is meant to be a mirror of heaven. 

Throughout Nicolas’ teaching, he speaks of the Merkabah – our light being. The word “Merkabah” broken down is… Mer = Light, Ka = Glory, and Bah = soul. A “Christo-Kaic” structure is our likeness in Christ. Without the “Ka” residing IN Christ (Christo-kaic), it’s a worldly structure. Those who do not function in Christ, like many modern “new age” thinkers who believe it's all about self, they only function in the “earthly glory” which only gets you so far. This is one reason I believe that when those not seated in Christ “astral project,” they need a silver cord to keep them tied to their bodies. When we're connected to the mind of Christ, the thoughts of God, and the Allness of God, there are no limitations.

Nicolas goes into detail about the Merkabah (your light body) by presenting five “Markabian structures.” Some key points are included here:

  • Host the light in our light body. Consciousness increases as light increases. Light takes shape so we can connect the two worlds – as above, so below. Here, we integrate the two realms (heaven and earth). As we grow into the likeness of Christ, we have more interdimensional capacity.
  • The “Light of Life” seeks to organize itself into more creation and eradicate darkness. This is where we clothe ourselves with the imperishable and death is then swallowed up. When we combine the “Light of Life” with the “Breath of Life,” we start becoming a co-creator in Christ.
  • The Light of Life can be transmuted (transform, alter, change) into the Glory of the God by coherence. Coherence is unity, symmetry, and harmony. This is where we bring every thought captive into the order of Christ. From here, it’s transmuted into glory.
  • Our capacity to align increases. We integrate polarities (those things that seem opposite) such as the right and left brain so they come into coherence with the Allness of God. Polarities become the will of God when we transmute the Glory of God. We break dichotomy (separation, opposition, contradiction) and think “wholistically,” the way God does. This is where we see the overall picture.
  • The “Christo-Kaic” emergence. It is the expansion of our consciousness from the individual to the All. It’s multidimensional architecture that we can host in our body where we’re aware of our multi-dimensional body. We see this as the Merkabah light body that I created from Nicolas’ video in Figure 3.

Figure 3

CONSIDER… because we’re in the image and likeness of Christ, we ALSO are a light in the world. Nicolas describes in Part 1 how we do that. It’s through varying levels of maturity into the consciousness and communion of God we mature into the image and likeness of Christ. We can’t do that until we reach the level of being “seated in Christ in heavenly places.”

The Message Bible clearly states how we’re a light in the world in Matthew 5:14. “Here’s another way to put it: You’re here to be light, bringing out the God-colors in the world. God is not a secret to be kept. We’re going public with this, as public as a city on a hill. If I make you light-bearers, you don’t think I’m going to hide you under a bucket, do you? I’m putting you on a light stand. Now that I’ve put you there on a hilltop, on a light stand—shine! Keep open house; be generous with your lives. By opening up to others, you’ll prompt people to open up with God, this generous Father in heaven.”

We must rise above the level of the crucified Christ and being resurrected in Christ to the level of being seated IN Christ IN heavenly before we truly live in the Allness of God. As Nicolas says in his discussion with Justin Abraham, “If we’re not entrained to a higher level of authority, the fractal that emanates is of lesser quality or lesser authority. It traps us in a less hopeful timeline.” We need get above the place where we’re incarnated in Christ (salvation), the crucifixion (pain, sorrow, anger, etc.), and the resurrection. The problem with the resurrection in Christ piece is that many religious scholars have taught it won’t happen until after we die. If that’s the case, then we can’t move to the next level where we’re seated in Christ in heavenly places until after our physical body leaves the earth. How can that be true if people in the Bible prove otherwise? John shows us in Revelation 4 that’s not the case when he was invited to “come up here.” Enoch and Elijah also demonstrated this "ability" to live out of the revelation coming from heaven. Those are three examples off the top of my head but there are more. Have fun digging through scripture for more examples. 

Nicolas uses the word “fractal” (evolving symmetry, self-similar pattern, repeating pattern) to show what’s eternal. Fractals repeat “after their kind” into infinity. The eternal fractal Nicolas talks about is the “Allness of God” because God has always existed and will continue to exist.

When we engage in fear, frustration, or any of their negative cuddle buddies, we’re functioning at a lower level of consciousness and communion – probably at or below the crucified Christ. When we’re hopeful for the future but can’t seem to believe for the reality of it yet, we’re between the crucified Christ and the resurrected Christ. It’s not until we’re seating IN Christ IN heavenly places where we learn to function as John, Enoch, and Elijah did while they still lived on earth. Justin Abraham calls this the “Enochian way.”

After watching Nicolas’ first video on the Secrets of the House of Light, the video with Justin Abraham begins to make more sense. That video is titled “New Earth Rising, Part 3” It’s between these two videos we begin to understand more about how our light body functions. As Sons of God, we are seated IN Christ IN heavenly places. Yes, that’s repeated many times throughout this article for a reason – to cement it into your being in a higher level of consciousness.

Question? If there’s a seat, what does it look like? We’re told we have thrones in heaven, so it only makes sense that we’re seated on the throne of our life as we’re seated in Christ. From here, we put on the mind of Christ and position ourselves in the thoughts of God. Both the mind of Christ and thoughts of God are at a higher level of consciousness and communion in the Allness of God. We can’t be polarized in the mind of Christ or the thoughts of God. We see things as God sees them and bring the revelation of what we see, hear, sense, and feel into the earth realm and release that reality around us. What’s in the spiritual realm comes into the material realm. This is how Jesus did seemingly impossible things on earth. And, he totally made the Jewish leaders mad, which tells us Jesus’ actions negatively triggered them Hmmm… how is this any different than today? If you want to know who is doing stupid stuff, look at those who are the most angry about the actions and words of others. Moving along…

To help with understanding your light body and how to function as the light being God created you to be, you need to activate your light body and continue growing in maturity and revelation in the mind of Christ, God's thoughts, and the Allness of God, If you want some assistance, I've got you covered!

See the information below where you can read more about the voice-over activations I created to assist you with this journey. I took the meditation Nicolas did in Part 1 of his teaching, dug deeper into what he said, and then created two meditations/activations. Meditation and activation are synonymous with one another because they are meant to activate you from a meditative state of mind. Nicolas does a very short version of a similar meditation not far into his video. I believe it's right after he introduces the second Merkabian structure.. I simply began with what he provides and went from there. The two MP3 voice-over activations I created, are 30-minutes long each. 

Light Body Meditation - $15

What's included? Two separate meditations to the same music titled “Light Body Activation” and “Christ Energy Meditation.” There are two PDF's with the meditations written out and more information. Also incuded is an MP3 of the instrumental music used for the meditations. 

Activation Introduction

In my meditation, you’ll fill and activate your light body with the energy of the Allness of God that’s within the mind of Christ and the thoughts of God. Your light body is your Merkabah – or Christo-Kaic (Christ-energy) structure that resides in your spirit. It’s a consciousness and communion in Christ that’s filled with, and radiates, the light and glory of God as you’re seated in Christ in heavenly places and function in the Allness (likeness and image) of God.

The Star of David (two triangles – one pointed down and the other pointed up) forms the Merkabic structure that energizes your being – spirit, soul, and body. They connect and create five energetic points. In the Allness and thoughts of God, we bring truths of heaven and release them into the earth realm. Visualize your light body (spirit body, soul body, and physical body) residing in this “Merkabian” energetic structure.

In this place, you become 1 Cor. 15:53-54 “For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: Death has been swallowed up in victory.” (NIV)

Activate your imagination by visualizing your heart as a glowing ball of light that’s vibrating with energy. It glows with a frequency that you can feel through your entire body. See, feel, and sense the heart increase in light and glory as you marinate in the Perfect love of God.

From this position of Perfect Love, you’ll infuse the light of life, breath of life, and Allness of God into your heart. You’ll then move the light throughout your spirit body, soul body, and physical body. Begin in your heart where you’re seated on the throne of your life in Christ in heavenly places. From this place of rest, you’ll infuse the light of life, then the breath of life, and finally the Allness of God throughout your entire being.

Feel free to follow along with Nicolas as he presents a short version of the meditation in his Part 1 video, or if you prefer a longer, more detailed variation, you can purchase mine and follow along as I lead you through the meditations to original music in the background. 

Conclusion

As we continue to dig deeper into a variety of teachings, the goal is to step beyond our current understanding and be willing to let go of our “pet” religious ideas. If we hold onto things we’ve always been taught or believed about scripture, chances are we’ll miss the very thing God is showing us. Yes, it’s good to take deep dives into the original Greek and Hebrew but none of us lived at the time the Bible was written. We don’t always understand the context of how things were said. As an example, our vernacular has changed drastically in my lifetime alone. In 100 years from now, people will read a sentence that includes “that’s totally tubular” or how about “I’m miffed about that” and have no clue what they mean. How can we, some 2,000 years after Christ died, fully understand the culture, daily life, discussions, and how the people of Jesus' day talked and functioned? We have some writings beyond the Bible from people in that day but it's not enough to truly understand their culture. There's a lot written in scripture but there's also a lot that's impled based on the culture of their day (not ours).

Context is important when reading scripture and documents from cultures we don’t personally know about or understand. Scripture only tells us a small part of what we need to know and understand. Scripture gives us many clues concerning God’s character but like any good Father does, we are set on our own journey to make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. It’s a maturing process we must go through as we move from revelation to revelation and maturity to maturity. When bad stuff happens, learn from the circumstance and move onward and upward into a higher level of consciousness and communion as we’re seated IN Christ IN heavenly places.

When it comes to maturing, we can only begin with Jesus' words where he says we'll do greater things than he did. (John 14:12) Since that's the case, why aren't we doing it? What are we missing? Why are so many people sick, sad, frustrated, angry, and/or struggling? This includes Christians! Is it possible we're stuck in stinking religious thinking? Maybe... just maybe... as we learn to function IN our identity IN Christ, we'll rise above earthly circumstances where we can sit in the mind of Christ and the thoughts of God to understand how to faciliate what goes on in the earth from the heavenly perspective. As above... so should the "below" be. But, it can't get to that point until we take our place as Sons of God and function as we were created to do from the beginning of time. 

Happy activating!

Del

Exploring Your Heart Garden

by Del Hungerford

This experience came about right after my new book, “Accessing the Kingdom Realms” was published (2018). It’s all about revisiting a previous encounter to glean more understanding from the original experience. I talk about that process in the blog post Beavers and Scrolls

For the entire month that I was deciding which encounters to include in the book, re-engaging those experiences, choosing a cover, and working with the editor, my daily engagement experiences focused on sitting with Jesus and Papa on a park bench. My head resting in their laps, I could feel the energy flowing from them into me. It seemed odd that I would spend an entire month like this but I knew there was a plan. Not only was I re-engaging the experiences in the book but it seemed simultaneously, I was sitting with both Jesus and Papa in two separate encounters but the same location at the same time. To my human mind, that didn’t quite make sense. Brain Fry!

What I discovered about this month-long experience is that I was being taught more about the “act” of engaging and that what may seem like a short time in the kingdom realms covers a very long time on earth.

I guess the best way to explain that is to have you read Rick Joyner’s book, “The Torch and the Sword,” and it will all make sense.

What’s a heart garden? It’s a place of deep intimacy in the core of your being where you commune with the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). You can spend time with all three of them separately or together. You share your innermost thoughts with each other and, you can even plant things! There’s an experience in Accessing the Kingdom Realms where I get to plant one of my favorite trees. But for that story, you’ll need to purchase the book. Without further babbling on, enjoy this addendum to my stories from Accessing the Kingdom Realms.

My Personal Heart Garden

I step into my heart garden, into the presence of The Father, who allows me to call Him "Papa," and Jesus. I see myself with both of them at the same time but yet we’re not together. I understand this to be separate realms. I see it but lack understanding in how it works.

Then, without notice, the two scenes come together where Jesus and Papa both get up off the bench at the same time. My Camperdown elm tree in the garden is now almost as large as the ones on the U of I campus. For a moment, I wonder if this time lapse from when I first planted this tree in my heart garden until now is an actual representation of when I was in college through the current time. My heart garden Camperdown elm was close to the size of the Camperdown elms on campus when I was attending college in the early 1980’s. It seems that the time in the spirit covers the time in my life from about 1980 through the present.

The Camperdown elm is one of my favorite trees. As students, we'd stand under these trees when it rained outside and we were waiting for people. I find it interesting that things we delight in tend to show up in our heart garden!

Picture: The Camperdown Elm trees outside Ridenbaugh Hall on the University of Idaho campus. This road leads up to the administration building where many Camperdown elms line the walkway.

Smiling, Jesus comes alongside me. We both look back at my bench where the Camperdown elm now completely covers it, creating a perfect canopy of protection.


“That whole time of your life, you were covered by My love.” He whispers softly into my ear.

He continues, “And, you saw it play out before you in the spirit while resting your head on our laps… Yes, the Camperdown elm tree in your heart garden was close to the same size as the ones by Ridenbaugh while you were in college."

I think about this for a moment, remembering how much we enjoyed those trees. Even then, they were like umbrellas.

Jesus sees my delight in this memory and continues, "While resting your head on Papa’s chest for a month under that tree in your garden, it continued to grow and cover you. It’s a representative of how the Father’s love covered you… even during the time of your marriage.”

“I understand and appreciate this pictorial lesson to help me feel the constant and deep love of the Father.” I reply while leaning against Jesus’ chest as He gives me a great big bear hug.

Shutting my journal, I sit amazed at how seeing myself in the spirit for a whole month was about covering the last forty years of my life. I know there’s something significant to that and as time goes, I’ll understand more.

(Journal entry from 2016)

The lesson in this

As in the book, I’ll provide a lesson here. This encounter was short, sweet and to the point. What I garnered from it was how the Camperdown elm (one of my favorite trees) in real life mirrored what I’d planted in the spirit. Then, over time the “covering” it provided in the spirit also mirrored the covering and protection I received during a nearly 40-year span in my life. In the book, I got to plant one of these majestic trees in my heart garden, right by the bench where I usually sit with the Trinity and those within the cloud of witnesses. My heart garden seems to be a favorite hangout!

When you read the book, you’ll find many references to my marriage. A failed marriage is tough to work through. If you want to read about that experience, my book “…But Words Will Never Hurt Me: A Story of Overcoming Abuse” is available on Amazon. My understanding of why this situation continues to come up in my encounters has everything to do with continued healing. Papa wants us to be whole and when things from our past negatively affect us, it’s difficult to move into all that He has for us in the next season of our lives. Basically, he “reveals to heal.” So, when you see junk from your past come up in your encounters, Papa is generally showing you a gentle way into healing.

What really struck me about this encounter? When you go through junk in life and wonder how you lived through some of it, it’s nice to know that Papa was right there beside you providing a protective covering. It was up to me to see that protection and take a hold of it. Sometimes I did and sometimes I didn’t. You can bet now that I know more about how this all works, I’m probably going to have that constant anchor point of a Camperdown elm tree and what it represents for me in my life! With that, I planted a Camperdown elm in my back yard in 2011. Unfortunately, that tree is no longer with me because the State of Idaho built a highway over that property. No need to fear, I have another Camperdown elm to replace it!

What Does YOUR Heart Garden Look Like?

Imagine your dream home. There are rooms, a yard, possibly a garage or carport, and in many cases, gardens. You may live on acreage completely surrounded by forests. If you could live anywhere in any house, what would it look like? Imagine that place with all the amazing things outside! Would it be a ranch? What about a castle? What rooms would you like to see in it? What will the outside look like? Come on! Get your imagination working so you can picture in your mind what this all looks like!

Some people think this stuff is crazy but if you think about it, God shows us stuff based on what we know. In the Bible, Jesus taught in parables. Those were stories that people could relate to. Those stories provided images that came attached with a lesson. People understood what was being said because Jesus knew how to bring everything down to their level of understanding. Therefore, why would Jesus not do the same thing now? God did the same thing in the Old Testament. God speaks to each person right where they're at. Of course, there are times we don't understand everything but as we dig deeper, understanding comes. 

We can all visualize houses and what they look like. Many teachers use homes to describe the body because there are many parts that come together. As an example, in the New Testament, it says that our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It's a dwelling place where we meet with God, just like the Israelites did in the Old Testament. Our body is literally the "house of God." Each of the various sections (spirit, soul, and body) has a specific purpose or purposes. This is likened to the different gateways of the spirit, soul, and body. Each gateway sits within the spirit, soul, or body. To learn more about that, check out my Mountains, Gates, and Castles course.  

Now, imagine your being (spirit, soul, and body) is the temple, which is like a house. Visualize what that looks like with all the surrounding areas. This might be a good time to journal what you see, hear, sense, and feel. There's always going to be a peaceful place for "rest." For many people, it's a garden. Now, visualize a perfect garden that fits your tastes. It includes your favorite vegetables, flowers, trees, etc. This place is in your heart, thus, the words "heart garden." It's that intimate place where you commune with God from the very depths of your being. It's the "holy of holies" of your being where spirit resides. 

ACTIVATION!

It's time to explore your personal heart garden! There's enough explanation above to get your creative imagination started. I suggest that you do this as often as possible and each time, build upon what you saw and experienced before. You read how that worked for me so now it's your turn.

  • Get into that quiet place where your wrapped in Perfect Love and feeling the emotion of gratitude. It's important to be in this place as you sanctify the imagination.
  • See yourself with Jesus, or the Father. Even if you can't see them, sense them. Or, just do it by faith. Many times, I saw nothing but did it anyway simply by faith. Eventually, more comes but you have to be consistent and persistent.
  • Visualize the most beautiful garden you've ever seen. What is it you want to see in a garden? What should be planted there? Look around and see where those things are located.
  • Where is Jesus? Is there a place where the two of you can sit? If so, go take a seat and begin a conversation with Him.
  • Notice the things in this garden, which is really your heart garden. You are creating it as you imagine it. Write about it so you remember what's there and where things are located. It may not make sense now but in the future, it might. 
  • Somewhere in the garden is the River of Life. It's what "waters" everything in your garden. Next to the river is a bench where you can sit with members of the Trinity to have conversations. Be sure to have your journal with you during these times.
  • You'll begin to notice certain things are in certain places for a specific reason. You may be asked at some point to bring things to your heart garden like I was with certain scrolls (Beavers and Scrolls blog post). 

NOTE: This can go on for a long time over periods of years. Although it may seem silly, the point here is to practice being in that intimate place with the Trinity. It's where you build relationship beyond what's in the Bible. You hear, sense, feel, and see in real time what the Lord is saying to you. The imagination can be a wonderful tool that's a launching pad to discovery. I bet every time you read the Bible, you get a picture in your mind of what you're reading. If you can do that, then this isn't so silly after all. The key is to enjoy the journey!


Happy Practicing!


Del

Your Seat of Rest

by Del Hungerford

Your seat of rest sits on top of the "mountain of your life." Jesus taught using parables. In a sense, that's exactly what I'm doing with the various "kingdom concepts." I'm using every day things that you understand that others are also using. I do this so we have a cohesiveness between what's being spoken so there's less confusion. With that, let me continue painting a picture, which you can imagine...

Your life is like a mountain where you're seated at the top. That view gives you a perspective of seeing everything below you and anything that comes toward you. It's "high level" viewing from a strategic place. On this mountain, seated in Perfect Love (with Christ) is your seat of rest - or the throne of your life. You'll see the picture above gives you a starting point. However, your throne will be unique to you and may look nothing like this one. Your surroundings may be different, too. Why? It's all unique to you and your individual process of engaging with God. 

The more you "rule and reign" over your life from this elevated position, the better your life will be. If you look at the picture below, you'll notice that the inner self is where your heart resides - the castle of your heart (as the children's song says so sing along now...). This is your inner self where you meet with the Trinity in the garden of your heart. This is your temple and dwelling place in the kingdom realms. You'll hear many people speak about getting on your seat of rest when things go haywire around you. Well, this is what they're talking about. It's a visual to help you understand your positioning of ruling and reigning. 

Notice that the throne is sitting in Perfect Love. The Bible says God is Love (1 John 4:8-16) so this is where you're seated "IN HIM." The more we learn to function from this position, the more at rest we'll be despite the circumstances around us. 

What I’m seeing is that when we’re on our seat of rest, we’re in the presence of God. And, we’re operating out of First Love (our first gateway) because in that place, we are “in Him.” Basically, one touches the other with our throne (our seat of rest) between the two. When we’re “in Him,” what’s in First Love then flows directly into the spirit. Then, from the spirit, it flows down the mountain in and through the soul and body gateways. What others see in us should come directly from the Throne of Grace that flows in and through all our gateways.

When we function out of soul, we’ve essentially cut off the top portion of the mountain. The closer we are to the bottom of the mountain, the further we are away from the presence of God. But, when we function from that position of rest, it allows the golry of God to completely envelope everything below it. At any time, we can move around IN that position of rest and walk down the mountain bringing the Glory and Light of God with us or… IF we’re functioning out of soul, our function only goes at the level we’re behaving out of. Example – let’s say someone says something to totally torque you (make you super mad). You decide to gripe about it and hurl some interesting words towards that person. At that moment, you’ve just gone down to the soul level and aren’t giving the First Love and Spirit Gateways any say. That’s where the griping and interesting words come from… a soul that’s in control. But… when we bring our seat of rest with us, our reactions to these types of things are different. I think that’s one way we know where we’re at. Our first response to the crap that goes on around us generally tells us which set of gateways we’re functioning out of.

As we learn to walk in that place of rest, I think that it’s much easier to actually divide the soul from the spirit because we’re doing it from being in the presence of God rather than trying to do it on our own (soul). Through the above picture, I’m getting a better visual of how functioning from the spirit works. When the soul bows down to the dictates of the spirit, our spirit is in control. When we function out of our spirit, the soul and body come under that alignment and are then subject to the dictates of the spirit. A meme that I made recently says “a soul in control stops the flow of the spirit.” I find this very true because the human DNA part of us rules by feelings, emotions, and actions. If you look at the soul and spirit gateways, you’ll see the difference between the two.

In “The Final Quest” by Rick Joyner, he talks about going up a mountain and the closer he gets to the top, the further away the attacks are. He can see them from the top but they can’t reach him because of his position. As long as he stays at the top of the mountain, he’s good to go. What I’ve learned from this is that if we constantly look at what the enemy is doing, it takes our eyes off Papa. As we stay in that place of rest IN HIM, what the enemy does is irrelevant. The enemy truly is under our feet!

Conclusion and Activation!

This “exercise” for the Mountains, Gates, and Castles course is about functioning from a place of rest no matter what goes on around us. Practicing the presence of God is all about pursuing God with all our strength and might. Our flesh (soul) doesn’t like that because it’s been allowed to rule and reign for as long as we’ve been alive. Like anything else, it takes practice to weed out the “stinkin’ thinkin” that tends to clog our minds. In a sense, it’s like weeding a garden so what’s going to produce fruit will overtake the non-fruit-bearing growth. I don’t know about you but I’d rather have beautiful roses in my garden than dandelions!

Here's a short version of the activation to get you started until you can purchase the course:

  • Print off this page so you have a copy of the gateways (see picture below).
  • Find a quiet place away from distractions.
  • Grab a journal and be prepared to write what you see, hear, sense, and feel during your quiet time. In case a negative memory comes up, write it down. This will help you identify situations to work through. 
  • See yourself go into your heart garden, which is at the top of your mountain. That's where your seat of rest resides. It's sitting in Perfect Love so in this place, you're seated "in Christ." 
  • Feel the emotions of Love and gratitude. Once you feel those emotions, continue to the next step.
  • See Perfect Love flow down the mountain into EACH spirit gate. Visualize what that looks like. Write what you see, hear, sense, and feel, especially if something sticks out to you.
  • Allow Perfect Love to flow from the spirit into EACH of the soul gates. Visualize each gate and see Love flowing into it. Write what you see, hear, sense, and feel, especially if something sticks out to you.
  • Allow Perfect Love to flow from the soul into EACH body gate. Visualize each gate and see Love flowing into it. Write what you see, hear, sense, and feel, especially if something sticks out to you.
  • Repeat for at least 60 days straight. The more you do this, the more revelation you'll receive concerning things that need adjustment so the gates that need more cleaning can be dealt with. "Dealing" with a gate often means some trauma is stuck there. As the Lord shows you the trauma, ask Him how you're to deal with it.
  • In the Mountains, Gates, and Castles course, I walk you through a more detailed and longer version of this activation. 


Seat of Rest Declaration

Here is another practice opportunity! As I've said throughout these articles, I created my own exercises based on teachings I'd listened to. After all, why listen to something and not put it into practice? That's how we mature - by find a way to practice what we're learning. With that, here's my declaration that I spoke (and continue to do so as I feel led) about the seat of rest. Feel free to say this often...

Jesus, I choose to have you seated on the throne of my life. I take my place of being in your in that place of rest on the throne of my life. I rule and judge from my spirit in you and say that my body and soul gateways are subject to the dictates of the spirit as I function in you out of that seat of rest. I choose to lean on you, Jesus, despite what may be going on around me. I take my seat on my throne and govern my life to bring governmental authority into and around my life. In you, I command everything to be subject to the realm of God's kingdom. I say that the kingdom of God is manifested in my life as I function out of rest. 

Blessings and happy practicing!

Del

Beavers and Scrolls

by Del Hungerford

In our first book together, “Accessing Your Spiritual Inheritance” by Alice Briggs, myself, and Seneca Schurbon, we share stories about how we are beginning to reclaim much of what was untouched or simply left by our ancestors. Our stories may seem odd at first but as readers walk with us through our journeys, they begin to see how God uses what we already know and understand to bring us into a place of more freedom.

In the final story of the book, I have an encounter with beaver-like creatures living in a root system of a tree, signing scrolls. I knew in the experience they were signing wrong scrolls. However, they seemed eager and willing to sign what I was seeing as counterfeit scrolls.

Because I was in the roots of a tree, based on what we know about family trees, I understood this to be a place in my family line. Jesus pointed out a few things, helping me see what the experience was all about. By the end, I had eaten some scrolls that were left untouched by previous members in my family. However, I didn’t know what was on the scrolls. In time, I knew it would be revealed to me eventually. Other scrolls, I was to give to different family members.

When you have these experiences, it’s important to go back, revisit the experience, and get more clarity. So, I did that. There’s quite a bit of time between the two which allowed me to gain more understanding into going back and redeeming what was lost, stolen, or left by my ancestors.

Beavers and Scrolls: Take 2

In the second experience, I’m back in the exact place at what seems the exact same time. I recognize this only because I can see the beavers signing the scrolls. It’s at this point, I ask for more clarity and want to see what’s actually written on the scrolls. Here’s a snippet from that account…

Jesus, understanding my thoughts about gaining more knowledge, answers “This is why you came back to a place where you lack understanding. You will come here more times. As you do, you’ll begin to understand more about what’s on those scrolls. By seeing what’s on the false scrolls, you will know what’s on the scrolls you ate – it will be the opposite of what’s on the scrolls that were signed.”

“I understand that so much more now, especially since we started writing our book” I respond.

“Look closer at what they’re signing” Jesus instructs.

I see pictures, similar to pictographs. I can’t read what they say but some of the pictures do provide clues. Jesus leans over my shoulder, looking with me.

“See this?” he says, pointing to a peculiar shape.

It’s a movie playing next to the actual pictograph; the beavers are eagerly watching. In a sense, it appears they believe they know what the outcome will be, or so they think, before signing. After each movie clip, this scenario is repeated over and over. Almost immediately after the movie clip ends, the beavers eagerly sign with minimal thought or further discussion.

“This is much like what people do today,” Jesus adds. “They see what they think will be the outcome and agree to that without having the full knowledge to understand any possible ramifications of that choice.”

Pondering this for a moment, I wonder what they are actually agreeing to. I’m surprised that the beavers are eager to quickly sign and move on.

“This is the easy way out” Jesus says. “Easy is easy… harder takes effort.”

I look back at the scroll and watch one of the movies playing before us. It’s of a man riding a horse with no reins or saddle. The horse has control and the man is letting the horse go wherever it wants as if he’s given up in finding the solution to getting this horse under control. Out of nowhere, a set of reigns literally comes from above and bridles the horse. The horse immediately calms down, regroups, and then the man is able to control it.

“I like that! I’ll take it!” says a beaver to a younger one. I watch as the older beaver signs while the youngster peers over the scroll, barely able to read it.

“I’m not sure what the issue is?” I question.

“What’s the man doing on the horse?” Jesus asks.

“He allowed the horse to take him, knowing he could do it (with a little extra effort) but waited for the establishment to do something instead of taking care of it himself?” I answer.

“And, when you do that, you become a slave to the very thing you’re trying to be freed from. When the easy way is offered, it’s too easy to take the bait” Jesus adds.

“That means the papers being signed had something to do with taking the easy way out? I question.

“It’s not only that but a laziness and dependence on others for provision – expecting mankind to meet your needs. There’s no honor towards the Father in that” Jesus sorrowfully explains. “It’s totally self-serving because of the expectation that others do for you.”

After a bit more discussion, Jesus asks me to look at the movie again. This time, I see a pair of reins on the ground, near the horse as it runs but not within easy reach of the rider. It would require him stopping to pick them up, which he never does, even at the beginning.

“He had the tools at his disposal to control the situation but didn’t because it was too much trouble to even bother” I state and question at the same time.

“When you’ve been given the right tools and don’t use them, chaos reigns. How do you want that to look in your own life? Are you willing to see the tools God gives you and then use them?” Jesus asks.

(From a journal entry in 2016)

UPDATE in July of 2025: 

Many of the scrolls that I took from this experience were put into my heart. From there, I was directed by Jesus to plant them in the garden of my heart so they could mature. Some were given to family members (in the spirit). I never told any of them in person. I just did it by faith and I have no idea what was on those scrolls. Most of those scrolls are still planted (and maturing) in my heart garden, where I tend "the things of life." I water them with the frequency of the River of Life, my declarations, brooding over them, etc.

In the spring of 2025, I was instructed to go "harvest" one of the scrolls because it was time for what was on that scroll to play out. When I opened it, the scroll was about the new recording studio that I'm preparing to open in the fall of 2025. That scroll had to mature between 2016 to 2025 before I was ready to read it and before it was ready to be implemented. This is the way many scrolls work. They are simply "mandates" with a blueprint attached to them which shows us how to walk them out. 

The recording studio is named Kryoton Studios. Kryoton means "light." As of this writing, it's still in the planning process as I "read" and internalize what's on the scroll. 

The moral of this story is

At the point where this experience ends, I have more of a discussion with Jesus where I begin repenting for things on behalf of myself and my ancestral line. Many other stories are told in Accessing the Kingom Realms and additional books I've wrttien. All are available on Amazon. CLICK HERE for my author page.

I understand the "movie" described in the encounter to show that my ancestors took the easy way out when they could. When a solution opened up where someone else could take care of their problems, despite a better answer being within their reach, they took what was handed to them instead of working a little harder, and possibly smarter, for a better outcome. The solution being offered was acceptable to THEM because it didn’t require much effort on their part. However, it obviously wasn't God's best. If it was, He would not have taken me to this place. I encourage you to get the Accessing Your Spiritual Inheritance to read part 1 of this story. 

What to do with this?

You will notice that I only saw one small piece of what’s on these counterfeit scrolls. But, it’s a big piece that I believe will help unlock some of the other behavioral patterns I’ve seen on my mother’s side of my family line. Even though my mother didn’t raise us, this stuff was in her DNA, which has been passed down to me. It’s time to clean it all up, reclaim what was left behind, and walk in new freedom! 

NOTE: This experience occurred not long before I discovered where my mother was living. You may ask why I didn't know that information but, remember... she didn't raise her children so I rarely had contact with her. I only found her because the Latah County Sheriff showed up to my house asking if I knew anyone named Marilyn. Huh... well, it was my mother. I took the phone number from the officer and called the number. My mom was in the final stages of dementia and needed care. She passed away in July of 2019 after struggling with mental health issues her entire life. 

I do not have contact with my mother's family. But, that doesn't mean I can't deal with generational issues. As God leads us on our own healing journey, He shows us the things we need to see when we need to see them. When stuff comes up for you, there are some steps you can take to deal with past family sin, personal sin or shortcomings, coming into agreement with things hold you back, etc. 

ACTIVATION!!!

When something comes up either in yourself or a generational issue, you can start with the following...

  • Take the situation, event, attitude, etc. before the Throne of God. Sometimes, I take it to the "mobile court," which I explain in a couple of my books. 
  • Stand in the place of intimacy with God where you feel His love for you. See yourself as HE sees you. Stand in your identity as a Son of God!
  • Own the transgression on behalf of yourself and your generational line.
  • Renounce all ties to the transgression on behalf of yourself and your generational line.
  • Repent on behalf of yourself and your generational line.
  • Put it at the foot of the cross where it is crucified.
  • Walk it through the cross and cover it with the blood of Jesus.
  • Trade it for a more positive outcome, attitude, etc. For example, determine what the bottom line of the issue is. In this story, it was laziness. So, if you have a similar situation, you could trade it for persistence or something similar. At times, you can trade fear for Love or anxiety for peace. Look at the underlying emotion and thing that caused the issue to begin with and use that as your starting "trading" point.

The Ascended Lifestyle

by Del Hungerford

We begin by asking the question... what is "ascension?" To many, it's a new age word that has nothing to do with Christianity. If you think about what it involves, there's really a better word for it. I call it the "come up here" principle as described in Revelation 4:1 where John was invited by the Lord to see into the future. Many believe John literally went into the heavens for this encounter or that Ezekiel did the same thing when he saw the wheel in Ezekiel 1. Who knows for sure HOW it happened but... there are clues to better understand.

Here are some truths that we do know:

  • God (Yahweh) is as close as the air we breathe. (Acts 17:28)
  • WE are the temple of the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor. 6:19)
  • We are seated with Christ in heavenly places. (Eph. 2:6)
  • We are IN Christ and He's in us. (2 Cor. 5:17, Galations 2:20, Colossians 3:3)

Now, let's put this together to describe "ascension." Since our bodies are a living temple where the Holy Spirit resides, we must remember that in the Holy Temple, there was a holy of holies. That's where the priests went before God once a year to atone for the sins of the people. Our personal holy of holies is in our heart. Many are now calling that place either the "castle of our heart" or the "garden of the heart." Science says that the heart is a greater thinking organ than the brain. When we refer to our gut instinct, that's also a reference to the heart. It's the most intimate part of our being where all life comes forth. Without the heart beating, life ceases to exist. 

In The Cloud article, I give a definition of ascension. Here's what that article says...

I asked AI to provide a spiritual definition of ascension. I was told  that "in spiritual contexts, ascension generally refers to a process of awakening and transformation, where one moves from a state of limited awareness to a higher consciousness and connection with the divine. It's often described as a journey of self-discovery and spiritual evolution, involving shedding old patterns, integrating different aspects of oneself, and aligning with one's soul purpose." 

AI can be hit or miss but in this case, it seemed to spell out ascension quite nicely. Notice the words "awakening and transformion." This occurs first when we become a Christian (salvation). Sadly, this is where many believers stop the process. From here, we move from the limited state of awareness (our natural mind within the soul), and turn inward to the spirit where we step into our "God Consciousness." Instead of simply self-discovery, as AI puts it, we learn who we are in Christ. Communion is FOR this purpose and helps us understand our identity as Sons of God. The above definition also mentions "aligning with one's soul purpose." Well, that's hard to do unless we're seated in Christ (from our spirit, not the soul) in heavenly places. Christ did it first. That set the example for us to follow. He went ahead of us, showing the way to our "inHimness" with God. The final stage is the Perfection of God.  

We are seated in Christ in heavenly places. That heavenly place is within you - in your heart. We are IN Christ and He is in us. I call this "in himness." Acts 17:28 also tells us that God is as close as the air we breathe. Well, the last time I checked, I breathe here on earth so that must mean God is literally inside me because that's where my breathing begins. It's just common sense. We've tried to spiritualize this WAY too much. 

Look at the picture of the Holy Temple. Now, visualize your body as this temple. The Ark of the Covenant represents your heart. It's the place of great intimacy with the Trinity. 

I propose that the word "ascension" actually refers to turning into the very core of your being - into your heart where you meet with God, just like the priests did in the Old Testament but in a physical temple. The new age movement calls this a higher level of consciousness but the part they are missing is that God is the Creator of all things, including our consciousness. How can we function properly unless we include Him in the process? Most new agers function from the soulish level of "self" rather than partnering with God in the spirit. 

The temple became a part of our being upon the death of Jesus. Remember when Jesus said to the disciples that the Holy Spirit was being sent? Not long after that, the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed (A.D. 69). This was a sign that the temple is now WITHIN us. When the veil in the temple ripped after Jesus died on the cross, that was the moment He fulfilled what was spoken in the Old Testament. The problem (just like today) is that the "old guard" didn't recognize the shift in seasons.

At that time, they were shifting "ages" from Aries to Pisces. (An "age" typically lasts about 2,000 years.) Pisces is represented by the fish symbol, which was the beginning of the church age. Have you ever wondered why Christianity uses the fish symbol? Aries was the sign of the bull, which was also very prevelant in the previous age. Remember the golden calf at the time of Moses that Aaron built while Moses was on the mountain. Have you ever wondered why it was a calf and not a lamb or some other animal? The ancients understood the ages. What we call the Zodiac is really the Mazzaroth, which tells the story of creation. It was corrupted into what we now call "astrology" in the 1950's. But, we'll discuss this further in another post.

The point here is that WE are the temple of the Holy Spirit and that when we "ascend," it literally means we are going into our living temple into the the holy of holies (our heart) where we learn of the mysteries of God. From that position, we release it in the natural realm. This concept can be difficult to understand so that's one reason many of us use the picture of a mountain to describe it. I'll put that picture below as a visual for you.

Our heart is the inner part of the mountain where we meet with God. The outside of the mountain represents the three parts of our being - spirit, soul, and body. At the top of the mountain is our spirit, which is supposed to release direction into the soul, which then flows down to the body. In a sense, this is a circular thing where the flow comes from the inside to the outside, much like the toroidal shape science uses to describe how energy moves. Hmmm.... Does this mean science is finally catching up to what God has been saying all along?

My Journey of Discovery

When I first started my journey into deeper intimacy with God, I had no idea it would take me into uncharted territory. When I say that, for years, I said the standard, “Father, come down here and meet with me” that I was taught in church. However, over time, I began to realize that if we’re the temple of the Holy Spirit and God is as close as the air we breathe, He’s already here. My problem? I wasn’t looking in the right places. In Revelation 4:1, why did God tell John to “Come up here” to talk with Him?

Since God is as close as the air we breathe, and the Holy Spirit makes our body His temple, and we can “come up here” to meet God, then that’s what we should do. He’s in us, around us, and above us. It’s a matter of stepping into the realization of that fact. How do we do it? Well, for me, that was rather difficult figuring out. I asked questions for years about many things and people just didn’t have answers. Those questions continued to sit on a shelf until the first time I heard Ian Clayton. I had no clue what he was talking about but what he said witnessed with my spirit and… he was the first person who had answers to the questions I’d asked for years. A couple of years later, I started listening to Mike Parsons and others who mirrored what Ian said. To make things easier for everyone, I've chosen to use the same terminology as they do so there's minimal confusion. 

In a nutshell, I learned that as a Son of God (no male or female in Christ), I can live an “ascended lifestyle.” What exactly is that? I’ve coined the phrase “come up here principle” which means that my focus is on spending time with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit “up here,” where I see things through the spirit rather than in the natural. John even says throughout scripture that he was “in the spirit.” If he could do it, so can we. We do this through our imagination – it’s how we “see” in the spirit. For the longest time, I didn’t know how to do that. I practiced and practiced and practiced daily seeing with my spiritual eyes. As with all things in life, the more you practice, the better you get at something. Seeing in the spirit isn’t a gift. It’s part of what we can all do. For some, it comes very naturally. That wasn’t the case for me.

Many of you may remember Rick Joyner’s book The Final Quest. That’s a wow book for me because it’s so vivid. The first part grossed me out but never-the-less, I read beyond that part because something about the story intrigued me. It wasn’t until nearly 20 years later that I realized Joyner’s book is based on the come up here principle. He was in the spirit and shown many things.

In the two other books of the series (The Call and the Torch and the Sword), the rest of the story is told. The overall gist of the books focuses on repentance, humility, and a deeper understanding and relationship with God. I had all but forgotten about the books until I began to have similar experiences. That’s when I pulled them back out and read them again with my spiritual senses rather than physical. I encourage you to get the books and read them if you haven't yet done so. They will open your eyes to many of the things we talk about in NW Ekklesia. 

Learning to live “from heaven to earth” takes practice. Oh, and did I say that it takes practice? The age-old teaching based on gifts has nothing to do with this principle. I never functioned in any of the spiritual gifts so there’s nothing special about what I do. I practice and practice and practice ascending into the depths of my heart where I’m seeing things from a heavenly perspective rather than our normal run-of-the-mill boring life. Somehow, I managed to stay away from much of the negative "churchy" stuff because I always had a sense that God is good… ALL the time. No, I didn’t understand everything that happened but in most cases, I chose to see how God used a situation to help me mature. My most recent experience with that involved losing my home to the eminent domain process. That story is for another time… but, in case you're interested, I tell about it in my latest book, Transforming Mindsets

Living an ascended lifestyle is simply focusing on being in the presence of God through the “come up here” principle of being with Him in the kingdom realms of heaven via our personal temple. Yes, there are lots of amazing things that I see but those all direct me to Him… Yahweh… God… my Creator. In that place of the ascended lifestyle, I get to know the persons of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Just like best friends, we sit and talk about many things. I watch and learn, then “do” myself. Not only do they want to get to know me but I learn about their desires, too. Friendship goes both ways. It requires two to make a relationship work. If I’m always going up saying, “God, I need this!” and never spend time getting to know Him, that’s no different than writing a check for goods. There’s no relationship involved in that at all!

How do we learn to live an ascended lifestyle? You guessed it… practice! If seeing in the spirit is difficult, go into the blog posts on this site and look for the one about seeing in the spirit. I created my own exercises, similar to what I put in the blog post. I journal and write what I see, hear, and sense even if it doesn’t make sense. Check it for scriptural accuracy later is my best advice. If we second guess what we’re writing, we’ll often miss the good stuff. If we ask God to give us bread, He’s not going to give us a rock. There’s no need to be concerned about deception when our hearts are pure and our goal is intimacy with Yahweh. When our eyes are on Jesus, they aren’t on the enemy. Who cares what the enemy does anyway! As they say in the book Teaching With Love and Logic, ignore the bad behavior and focus on the good. We learn best by focusing on the good things, not the bad. If there’s still concern, decree and declare a sanctified imagination and go for it!

Below is a recap of my version of an image that Nicolas Acuna shared with a private group as he talked about ascension, which is really different levels of consciousness.  There are 7 levels of ascension. They are also  7 levels of communion with Christ through our consciousness. This is often done through deep meditation where we are "in the mind of Christ." That's difficult to do when we have an expectation of what something should look or be like. 

First, we look at a version of the image he shared in the meeting that I revised based on my own revelation of the process....

We are seated IN Christ at whichever level of communion we choose. The bottom represents the lowest level of consciousness and communion while the top represents the highest (expanded) level.

  1. We are "born again" (incarnated) in Christ.
  2. We are crucified with Christ.
  3. We are resurrected with Christ.
  4. We sit with Christ in heavenly places. (Ephesians 2:6)
  5. We sit with Christ in our position of understanding that we existed at the beginning. (Ephesians 1:4)
  6. We sit with Christ in the fullness of who he is and entrain with that fullness as we see and function from that position. (Galations 1:19-21)
  7. We sit with Christ in the position of perfection in the "allness" of God, who is Source. 

The + and - represent a time reference with the minus being the beginning. The plus is physical reality, where we exist on earth. Ascension brings the reality of heaven to earth. 

Nicolas' (my version) image helps us visualize what the process looks like. Jesus was ALREADY in heaven seated in His heavenly position and functioning in the "Allness" of God BEFORE he chose to come to earth as a physical body. 

In His heavenly position, He's Christ 

In His earthly position, He was Jesus 

Scripture says we're seated with CHRIST, not in Jesus. This is the resurrected Christ who is bringing the fulfillment of who he is as fully human and fully God. This is one reason he came to earth to "redeem" us. We can't be seated with Jesus because that's not his full identity. When we "ascend" seated IN CHRIST into the heavenly places through our consciousness (our inner self that resides in our holy of holies), we rule and reign as Sons of God. We begin the ruling and reigning process with self, then family, then our neighborhood, community, and so on. Just like a child, when we show a certain level of responsibility in one area, we're given more. This is what the parable of the talents demonstrates. (Matthew 25:14-30)

You shall know them by their fruit

If you don't know which level of consciousness (ascension) you're functioning from, look at the fruit in your life. What level of love (or fear) do you reside in? How are people around you affected by what's coming from within you? Do you see positive change in your life? How have things moved forward over the last year or even several years of your life? How is your overall health (spiritual, emotional, and physical)? The answers to these questions determine the level of fruit you're bearing that can also determine which level of ascension you're engaging with. 

At which level on the above chart do you "commune with" daily? This goes beyond the body and the blood that we take on Sunday mornings in church. This is interacting and partaking with the very essence of the resurrected Christ who has ascended into heaven. It's FROM that position, we see, hear, sense, and feel the very heart of God where we entrain (attune to) His very thoughts. It's from those thoughts we are co-creators. This is sonship at its highest level as we go through "kingdom school." I talk about that in my Maturing as a Mystic series. The workbook that goes with it has several examples. The incarnate level on Nicolas' chart is like Kingdom Grade School. The top level is like Kingdom Graduate School.  We choose which level to function as we mature from being spoon fed to co-creating with Christ. 

As you'll hear in many articles by those within NW Ekklesia, the "ascended lifestyle" is all about functioning from our positions as we're seated in Christ. From there, the lessons in co-creation begin as we mature into different levels of authority. This takes time, a few mistakes, and a good amount of practice. The ascended lifestyle isn't a gift - it's a lifestyle that requires daily practice. Like anything else in life, the more you do something, the better at it you get. So, let's move on to an activation!

NOTE: Even Nicolas spoke in the meeting that the imagination is a starting point for the ascension process. This is why Jesus taught in parables. He used things the people understood. So, sanctify the imagination and then go for it!

Activation!

Here's another activation based on a teaching I heard from Ian Clayton. As usual, I took the teaching and created an activation that would help me understand the concepts of living an ascended life. It started out with stepping into it through the "Law of Faith." I believe that I spoke this daily for at least a year until it was deep within my spirit. Again, it's about practice as I renewed my mind to align with God's truth and character.

Here is that declaration. Say it as often as you feel led to. 

Yahweh, I come by faith, stepping through the veil into the kingdom of Your presence here on earth. I turn towards Your presence and embrace Your presence and Glory. I turn towards you with my spirit, soul, and body. I fold them around you and embrace You with my heart, mind, and will. By faith, I engage the Law of Faith and come under its government. I receive the full measure of what I have to receive through the Law of Faith. I'm sanctified by the Law of Faith. I receive increase. The Law of Faith presides over all that I do and the supply of God moves through me. As I stand in Your presence, I release the Law of Faith to funciton in and through me. Yahweh, I open the gate of Love and allow that to flow towards You. Father, I ask now that you'd release the River of Glory from the throne of Your presence inside of me. In your presence, by faith, I receive all from you: All the kingdom promise, purpose, destiny, dominion, power, authority, sanctification, all that's on my scroll for me to live here on earth and all the mandate - everything, Father! I receive the ministry today of all the angels that have been assigned to me, my family, my Ekklesia, my entire country, the planet, and the universe - that have been loosed to madate and fight for me on my behalf. Father, I walk by faith, I stay in Your presence and recieve all my angelic assistance. 

Enjoy your ascension journey!

Del

The Cloud

by Del Hungerford

What many call the "ascension" process is nothing more than learning to see in the spirit with the eyes of your heart through the vehicle of your imagination. In a sense, the word "ascension" is misleading because we're not actually ascending to be with God. Why is that? The Word says that in Him we live, move, and have our being. (Acts 17:28) That indicates He's with us all the time. The Bible also says that God is as close as the air we breathe. (Psalm 145:18 and Acts 17:28). Therefore, it appears that ascension is merely another term for looking inward to your heart and meeting God there. He's in us and we're in Him.

People use the word ascension to show that we're stepping into what I call the "come up here" principle. I think they came up with this definition to show how it's different than standard church teaching. It's a reference to Revelation 4:1 where John is invited to visit heaven (really more than an ascension). The gist of ascension is to see things from a heavenly, not earthly, perspective. We can't do that unless we visualize any circumstance through God's eyes. That requires letting go of everything we think we know or humanly understand. This includes what we read in the Bible and have been told about what it says. There are as many interpretations of scripture as there are people alive. Therefore, how do any of us know which interpretation is the one coming from God's heart? Which one describes the true character of God? Sometimes that answer leads us to a good description. 

With the introduction now complete, we continue with the seeing in the spirit theme where I get to tell you another story followed by another activation! Once I began this journey, God knew I needed a physical healing. I was asking Him to show me how to be healed. And of course, He answered but not in the way I expected. My questions led to Him showing me that I had to deal with some past junk, including generational things that have kept me in an uncomfortable place. 

In this next experience, I run into a “man of old” in the heavenly realms. I never learn who he is but I do know that he came to show me an area of my life that was clouded over, keeping me from “seeing” the blessings that God has for me. It’s also fascinating that now that I’ve helped write the book, “Accessing Your Spiritual Inheritance,” I’m getting many opportunities to work through some stuff in my life. It’s all for the purpose of bringing me to a place where I can indeed fulfill what’s on the destiny scroll of my life.

With that, here’s the story…

The Cloud

I see what looks like a foggy and dense cloud before me. Out of the midst of the fog walks a tall figure. I can’t tell who it is but I watch as the figure approaches. I can tell he’s a man, very large in stature and regal. I wonder if he’s an angel or …?

“I’m here to show you things you’ve asked about,” he says, motioning for me to follow him. “I’m one of the men of old,” he continues, answering my thoughts.

He’s more serious than others I’ve met so I don’t dilly dally any longer. The moment I step to follow him, he turns and starts to head back into the cloud. He then motions for me to walk beside him. After doing so, we continue in silence, walking deeper into this dense cloud. It’s so thick, I’m almost choking. It’s not a bad thing, I sense. The texture seems different than what I’ve felt before. I still don’t like it because I can only see the path we’re on.

We eventually come into a clearing where I can see green grass. The cloud only lifts high enough for me to see the grass – which I understand to symbolize that I can see my walk or path. Still saying nothing, we continue on. As in previous visits to the kingdom realms, the grass springs back into position after we’ve passed over it. 

I watch it as we continue to move further down the path, deeper into this fog. I begin to sense a heaviness that isn’t good. But, even in that, I know this is for me to understand something.

The cloud begins to dissipate and I can now see a clearing ahead of us. Before me is a beautiful lake with the most amazing color of blue. I see rocks on the bottom of the lake and mountains in the distance. Turning back, I look at the cloud.

“Was I not able to see what was in that cloud because I haven’t been ready to see it yet?” I ask.

“You are correct,” he says, turning back to view the cloud with me.

“Am I to assume it’s because of my own heart that needs purification and healing?”

“Yes,” he answers, turning to look me in the eyes. After a bit more silence, he adds “You are now seeing the other side of that cloud – the result of what it’s like once you’re able to see and then deal with what’s in the cloud.”

“I understand,” I respond. “Would you have not brought me here if I’m not in a place where I could take care of that now?” I question.

“You had to see this first to know what’s in the cloud. When people allow hurts to stay in their hearts, their vision is clouded. That’s why you felt choked up. It wasn’t a bad thing, as you assessed, because you sensed freedom would come out of it.” He responds, looking at me more intently.

I can see the kindness even though his voice seems a bit formal. Pondering for another moment, I ask “It has to do with my marriage, doesn’t it?”

“And, do you know what would have caused that cloud to cover your vision?” he prods.

“I allowed Todd’s words to be my thoughts. I believed what he said about me more than what God said about me” I answer.

There’s no hanging my head over that one! I know and understand what I did but hadn’t really thought about the effects of it until now.

“Abuse does interesting things to people,” he adds.

He continues, “Words are very powerful and when you allow what others say to take root, it becomes intent, which then plants a seed of desire. Not all desires are good. You entertained what was said about you. And, it cost you.”

 

He lovingly looks at me, making sure that I understand.

“You’re right – I did that and didn’t even realize it’s what I was doing.” I respond.

“I would know a little about that,” he adds. “In my life, I, too, dealt with a similar situation. My job now is to help others see their mistakes in this so you can be free now and not have to live with the results of those choices while you’re still on earth” he offers.

I know what I must do… I step aside for a moment and look to the north, where I sense the Throne of God is located. I speak out a repentance prayer and thank God for washing me clean with the Blood of Jesus. I then take a moment to kneel and worship. My friend stands beside me as I walk through this process.

After a bit, I stand and feel compelled to turn around and look back towards the cloud. The cloud is now gone and I can see we’ve walked next to a beautiful, flowing brook in the midst of a beautifully treed forest. The pathway is well worn but still beautiful with pebbles and gemstones worn into the path.

“See!” my friend says. “Once you unclog your vision, you can see what was meant for you. Now, speak redemption into those years,” He further instructs.

Continuing to face the direction we came, I boldly begin “In the Name of Jesus, I speak and decree over this point of my life and say all that was lost is now redeemed. I declare words of hope, love, patience, and kindness. I say that a bright future is planted in the place of what I’ve just dug up and discarded. I say there’s hope for my future. Father, I plant seeds of Your desire in the seedbed of my heart and I water those desires. May your desires be my desires as I water them.”

Looking back up, I see the mountains in the distance have changed. They are closer and brighter. Quickly, I begin running towards them…

(From a journal entry in 2016)

At this time, I still have no idea who this “man of old” was. But, I have a feeling I’ll be seeing him again. As mentioned above, I find it fascinating that as I begin to walk into newer and deeper intimacy with the Father, I get to clean up more of my life. I no longer dread those times because I know going through the purification process brings me to that deeper level of intimacy. So, there really is a moral to this story. I would venture to say that when we allow the things that have held us back to be cleaned and redeemed, there truly is freedom to move forward.

Because this story includes what many call an "ascension," we'll move onto the definition...

Ascension Definition

NOTE: This section added in July of 2025

I asked AI to provide a spiritual definition of ascension. I was told  that "in spiritual contexts, ascension generally refers to a process of awakening and transformation, where one moves from a state of limited awareness to a higher consciousness and connection with the divine. It's often described as a journey of self-discovery and spiritual evolution, involving shedding old patterns, integrating different aspects of oneself, and aligning with one's soul purpose." 

AI can be hit or miss but in this case, it seemed to spell out ascension quite nicely. Notice the words "awakening and transformion." This occurs first when we become a Christian (salvation). Sadly, this is where many believers stop the process. From here, we move from the limited state of awareness (our natural mind within the soul), and turn inward to the spirit where we step into our "God Consciousness." Instead of simply self-discovery, as AI puts it, we learn who we are in Christ. Communion is FOR this purpose and helps us understand our identity as Sons of God. The above definition also mentions "aligning with one's soul purpose." Well, that's hard to do unless we're seated in Christ (from our spirit, not the soul) in heavenly places. Christ did it first. That set the example for us to follow. He went ahead of us, showing the way to our "inHimness" with God. The final stage is the Perfection of God.  

In a very recent teaching, Nicolas Acuna spoke in a private meeting where he talked about the "ascension" process. Figure 1 is my rendition of an image he shared. I took the image to my strategy room where I sat across the table from Jesus and we discussed the meaning of this image. From there, I created Figure 2, which shows the process on the Star of David. I have to thank Meta AI for creating these images for me. 

Figure 1

Figure 2

Some of my wording is changed from what Nicolas first posted on screen. Like anything else, once we begin to get our own revelation, we'll understand more of what God is saying to us. In the first image, it's and upward movement from lower consciousness to higher consciousness. As we are crucified with Christ, we're at the standard church level. Once we step into that resurrected position in Christ, we go up another level of consciousness - or "ascend" to a greater level of understanding and maturity. Nicolas' seven key levels of ascension are:

  1. Incarnate Individual - one who has walked through the salvation process.
  2. Jesus Crucified - one who has been crucified with Christ (through understanding and parcitipating in regular communion).
  3. Jesus Resurrected - one who has risen with Christ (through understanding and participating in regular communion).
  4. Christ Sits in Heavenly Places - one who is seated on the throne of their life IN Christ to rule and reign over everything in, near, and around them (both heavenly and earthly).
  5. Created Before the Foundation of the Earth - one who understands and functions from a higher conscious level of awareness of who they were before they were on earth. This is where the co-creation and greater awakenings begin where we "study" the co-creation process as Sons of God. Welcome to Kingdom College! 
  6. All for and in the fullness of Christ - one who begins to understand the deep mysteries of God that then manifests those realities in the world (and heavenlies) around them. 
  7. The Allness (Perfection) of God - one who is fully alive, functioning, and living (probably from that immortal position) as a fully mature Son of God. (This needs more exploration)

Jesus (in his humanity) was seated in heavenly places with the Father after his ascension into heaven. Christ is Jesus' heavenly position while Jesus is His earthly position. Christ was created before the foundation of the earth. He was already the fullness of himself with God before the beginning. The "allness" of Christ is the foundation and perfection of God. Christ CHOSE to come to earth, knowing what He was going to go through so WE could ascend with Him to "relearn" and understand our identity, callings, giftings, mandates, blueprints, etc. given to us "at the beginning." 

Even though Christ existed "before the beginning," He had to come to the earth in human form as Jesus, which essentially meant He went from the top of the pyramid down. He received the revelation IN HEAVEN while "in God" before the beginning of time. From there, He brought that revelation DOWN to us! Once we receive salvation, we begin to follow Jesus' lead as we, too, understand the process and are then seated with Him in heavenly places. However, this must come from the spirit, not the soul. This "awakening" is way beyond human understanding! We tap into who we were before the foundation of the earth, just like Jesus did. We follow His lead and while seated in Him, we learn through the ascension process. 

In Figure 2, I felt led to look up the platonic solids again and then realized that the Star of David has all seven points from Nicolas' diagram. Hmmm... seven represents perfection. It's simply another way to look at the process but in a circular manner. Hebrew thinking is circular where the beginning is the end and vice versa. Nicolas' version creates a picture of the up/down process, which helps us understand the "upward" definition of ascension.

Recap!

Basically, ascension is about stepping into a deeper level of consciousness as we're seated in Christ. We do this from our heart (where our spirit resides). We let go of any personal understanding and are prepared to hear, see, sense, and feel what directly comes from the heart of the Father. We were given an imagination for a reason. Therefore, we often get pictures or see things that make sense to us. God reveals Himself to people based on what they know and understand, just like Jesus did when He spoke through parables. The people understood what He was referring to. Why should God be any different with us? It's a matter of choosing to listen or be stuck in our current understanding. As we let go of pre-conceived ideas, thought patterns, mindsets, traumas, etc., we go higher up the ascension ladder. 

One of the best ways of beginning the ascension process is through meditation. It's simply taking time to focus on the goodness of God and stepping into that place of being seated in Christ. We'll do that through an activation below...

 

Activation Time!

I encourage you to put on some calming instrumental music. If you need some, I have several albums on the Healing Frequencies Music website to choose from. Next, grab a journal, find a quiet place, and start by wrapping yourself in the Perfect Love of God while being in that place of gratitude. Remember... Perfect Love casts out all fear so if this feels odd to you, put yourself in that safe place with Jesus where you FEEL His love for you from that position of gratitude. Then, begin the exercise. 

Imagine going up stairs into the heavenly (kingdom) realms. Visualize a door at the top of the stairs. Look around for Jesus. If you don't see Him right away or sense His presence, proceed to a space that you enjoy, perhaps a garden or a workshop. More than likely, what you do see is what you're creating in the heavenly realms. God loves you so much that He wants to see your dreams fulfilled so he'll direct you to the very spot you've created in your dreams and visions. If it's not a garden, what is it? How does this place represent something familiar to you? What do you see? Does it mean anything to you? Are there things you've never seen before? If so, try to describe them. If you sense anything, what?At any point you feel awkward, get back into a place of rest and peace. Wrap yourself in a cloak of Love and allow Jesus to hold and comfort you. 

Begin journaling what you see, hear, sense, and feel. The goal of this "ascension" is for greater intimacy with the Trinity. That can only happen when you spend time with them. How do you do it? Well, the Bible is a good launching point but in this case, you SEE yourself with the Trinity somewhere. Where that place is may be different for everyone. It's based on your desires, personal experiences, etc. Think of what you like to do, your career, things you're knowledeable in, etc. It's those places where God often talks to us because He knows we'll understand Him. For me, it's often through music that I learn more about His truths. If you're a carpenter, I bet He'll speak to you in a language that has something to do with carpentry. Be open and prepared for the unexpected and don't explain away things that don't make sense.

Since my experience was about being shown things in my life that "clouded" my thinking, it might be a good place for you to start by asking some questions. Sit in that quiet place once you've reached it. Either write some questions down prior to beginning or write them down now as they come to you. I ask things like, "What do you want me to see today Lord about things that may be holding me back or clouding my vision?" However, don't ask the question if you don't really want the answer. Be prepared for thoughts to come completely from left field. Those are the ones to really pay attention to. 

You'll notice that I write in a narrative style. That may not happen for you. You may get fragmented thoughts, phrases, or even sentences that you have to put together after the fact. Like any mystery, we don't always get all the information at one time. Dig deeper for answers and you'll get them. Ask the right questions and be prepared for answers you may have never considered. At times, be prepared to go back another day right where you left off. Sometimes the experiences happen in "chapters" where we move from one thing to the next in a progression. Do keep in mind that you can direct when this occurs. When you ask for bread, does God give you a stone? Therefore, if you ask God to show you things about your life, He will tell you. You just have to learn how to listen. This is one reason why it's important to carefully weigh the thoughts that come from left field.

Most of all... enjoy the journey!

Del

Records Room in Heaven

by Del Hungerford

In a recent post, I talked about using the eyes of your spirit as part of every day functioning from heaven to earth, not earth to heaven. When we see things from God's perspective first, we learn how to live "in the Kingdom" all day, every day. What we do comes from a heavenly perspective as we're seated "in Christ" where we don't necessarily have to wait for a prophetic word to tell us how to move forward. If someone else can hear from God for me, why can't I hear it myself first? 

As I learn to focus on seeing with my spiritual eyes, I understand that it all starts from my imagination. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have an imagination. Try another exercise… Explain what your childhood home looks like to someone who has never seen it. From your end, you’re describing what you remember and the listener generally forms a picture in his/her imagination of what you’re describing. It requires you to use your imagination to remember what you’re describing. Like everything else in life, the imagination needs “exercised” so it doesn’t atrophy. In the case that the imagination is stunted, it takes practice and perseverance to gain what was lost. Adulthood tends to discourage having an active imagination so for many of us, we have to relearn how to use parts of us that were shut down as we grew out of childhood.

Our imagination is from God. What we have to do is learn to get rid of the junk that comes at us through the course of life so we don’t have it clogging up what Papa is trying to show us or tell us. As the persevering “in-His-presence-engaging” becomes a normal way of life, we see and hear more from the kingdom realms of heaven.

The “Records Room in Heaven” experience happened during one of my regular (and daily) engagement times that I have with the Godhead. I simply sit down with a journal and see myself (through the eyes of my imagination) go up and directly into the kingdom realms of heaven. From that point, I don’t necessarily know what’s going to happen next. I start writing as I see, not second-guessing what I’m seeing and/or hearing. I’ll provide a simple practice exercise at the end of the experience as a guide.

Moving on to my experience...

A Records Room in Heaven

I see myself standing, looking at a wall of scrolls that appears to be back lit. They are all old but in pristine condition. Jesus is with me, looking at the scrolls.

“Jesus, I want to see more of the scroll of my destiny but not so sure that I want to see the other scroll. I have an idea of what I’ve not accomplished and am not sure I’d do so well looking at that one…” I sheepishly ask.

“You must understand that if you don’t see what you’ve done, it will not be helpful for you to know what you have yet to do. Remember, it requires looking at your mistakes and learning from them so you can more easily fulfill what’s in your destiny scroll” Jesus responds.

“Then show me the one I need to see first…”

Jesus pulls a scroll from the wall and holds it out for me to open. I already know which scroll this is and have a sense of dread knowing I probably won’t like it… “Jesus, I know that I’ve tried to follow You. There were times that I felt like I could never find you. I know it was my fault because I didn’t look long and hard enough” I offer.

“That’s how it is with everyone – what they often think is seeking Me is what you’d call ‘microwave information.’ You turn it on for a selected amount of time and when it’s done, you expect a prepared meal. Now, are you going to open that scroll?” He asks.

I look at the scroll, hands trembling but I know He’s right. I slowly unroll the scroll and look at the jumbled words. A thought comes into my mind as I continue to look… my whole musical training and career flashes before my mind. I realize, to a greater degree than before, that I functioned out of need for attention and wanting to please mankind. I can now see how that belief system held me back.

“What can I do to turn this around, Jesus? Can any of this be redeemed?” I ask

“These were the places you got off track because of your hurts and insecurities. But, as you already know, I put that musical gift in you. It’s part of what’s in your scroll” He answers.

Without Him going any further, I own my thoughts, repent, ask forgiveness, put them at the feet of Jesus and cover them with the Blood of Jesus.

“You’re forgiven. Now, would you like to see how that looks in your destiny scroll?” He says while pulling out another scroll.

I know there are successes in the scroll of my life but somehow, even though I didn’t like it, I know that I had to see this scroll first. I feel a lightness that I hadn’t felt before after repenting. The fear of looking at the scroll of my life’s deeds is now gone.

“Hearing my thoughts, Jesus says “You understand why you had to see that first scroll and then deal with it?”

“I do ”

“It now makes it possible to allow for what you’re about to read to be set forth in you.”

I unroll the scroll and look at it. Again, I can’t decipher the writing but I have a sense of what I’m reading and can hear the words in my mind. I then start to see words flash across the screen of my mind… “Deliverer of heavenly frequencies to bring healing upon the earth. Carries the sound of God to be released into the body, soul, and spirit so that the body resonates at heaven’s frequency. Creative intent comes directly from the Throne of Grace to bring physical bodies back into alignment with the original DNA of God.”

Jesus interjects, “You are right in thinking of playing music into water. When you put your intent into the music after spending time in My presence, you bring the Glory back down and release it into the music as you create it. Yes, music essences have been around for some time but not in this capacity. The recording on the 528 Hz that you’re about to do, is what’s needed for this time.”

This experience continues with instructions that are meant for my ears and eyes only at this time. I do plan to put the rest of this story in a new book scheduled to come out by the summer of 2017.

Conclusion

This experience happened a couple of weeks before I recorded the “528 Creative DNA” album and made the corresponding music essence. It was through my encounters with Jesus that I understood the purpose for this particular album. I understood more of what Jesus said in an earlier experience… when something doesn’t make sense, go back and get more information.

You will notice that I struggled with some things when reading the scroll of my life. So you can see how I dealt with some of my own insecurities, I don’t mind providing a glimpse into my life, especially if others can learn from my mistakes. Often times we find that areas of our giftings come under attack. The reason? It’s simple… if we get our mind onto what people tell us and want to please them instead of God, that puts us in a place of missing it.

My goal for sharing this story is to demonstrate HOW we see in the spirit, what we do with what we see, and how to move forward. If we don't practice, stuff doesn't happen. How bad do you want to see in the spirit? If you do, then practice! Get out of any mindset that might tell you it's stupid, not from God, weird, or whatever else some idiotic familiar spirit might be whispering in your ear. God always reveals to heal when we're trying to move forward. You'll see how that works in this story. Now, let's move onto the activation, which I hope you practice. 

Activation!

Put on some instrumental music. I say instrumental because when you have words, it’s too easy to concentrate on those words. It works IF the words mirror what you’re wanting to do. If you don’t have any peaceful instrumental music, listen to samples where you can choose music that works for you from Healing Frequencies Music

Grab a journal and begin writing. You will notice that I added some pictures throughout my description to help get your imagination flowing.

  1. First, imagine that you’re going directly up to a peaceful place in the heavenly realms (like a garden) and you're with Jesus. See yourself in that place. Feel it, smell it, describe it, and most of all... write what you see, hear, sense and feel. 
  2. If you need a guide to get started, consider seeing a staircase leading to a doorway into heaven.
  3. Walk through the doorway and look for Jesus.
  4. If you can, try to describe some of your surroundings. If you’re new at this, you may not see much detail. That’s OK. You’ll get more clarity as you practice.
  5. Ask Jesus to take you somewhere. If you have a place in mind, suggest it. If you can't think of anything or nothing comes to mind, go to my first suggestion in a garden.
  6. Begin having a real time discussion with Jesus where you ask questions. Listen for something and write what immediately comes to your mind, no matter how far out of left field it may seem. Write now, judge later.

NOTE: We'll continue to discuss scrolls throughout the website. This was one of my first experiences many years ago. Much has changed since then because I've matured to a place where I know and understand a bit more. If all you can do at this point is get into a garden and feel the love of Jesus wrapping around you, that's fine. You can still write down what you see with the eyes of your heart in your journal. The more you practice this, the more you'll see.

When I first began, I had to look to see if it was Father, Jesus, or Holy Spirit. Now, I can sense them before I even see them and don't have to look. It may be the other way around for some people. You may sense and feel first before you see. As we exercise each of the five senses, we learn to use them all. 

Don’t forget to grab a journal! It’s important to write down what you see and hear so when you go back to revisit the experience, you can simply add more to that original experience.